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mmcnealy posted (a detail from this) I find very interesting. It's from right around 1500, and it reminds me very much of the archer from Carpaccio's St. Ursula cycle. I'm not certain of the source of the image (Ich sprechen nicht gut Deutsch), though I'm assuming it's Germanic in origin. From a quick bit of Googling I'm guessing it's an induction of members into Emperor Maximillian's Confraternity of St. George, which was founded in 1494.
* Awesome stripey hose, though that's nothing really new. [edit: actually, the wrinkles under the butt on the left leg are interesting. It means that I shouldn't be trying to achieve a perfectly smooth surface when standing straight and then expecting everything to stretch over the seat wen I bend over. There should be some wrinkling going on, I just need to get it to happen in the right place...]
* There are clearly two doublets going on here, one with 3/4 length sleeves and another with what look like longer sleeves pushed up to the elbow. Now that I look for it, the body and sleeves of Carpaccio's archer are made of different materials, so its quite possible they are two garments as well, especially since the hose still need to be pointed to something.
* The inner doublet seems to have a low, round neck (assuming that's his bare upper back below the hair), and also may have wide stripes on the right hand side.
* The outer doublet must be fairly lightweight, judging by how the sleeves are wrinkling where they're pushed up.
* The "grande assiette" construction of the sleeves of the outer doublet is very well defined. (while googling to confirm the spelling of that term, I turned upmc_cadieux's page here which has a couple more good images of this style of jacket)
* The little pleated section at the center back looks similar to the pleats at the back of the peasant coats in Beham's engravings of a couple decades later, though the construction looks more like the under-bust pleats at the front of women's gowns. My conjecture for these is that they are separate set in rather than a pleated section of the main body of the garment.
mmcnealy posted (a detail from this) I find very interesting. It's from right around 1500, and it reminds me very much of the archer from Carpaccio's St. Ursula cycle. I'm not certain of the source of the image (Ich sprechen nicht gut Deutsch), though I'm assuming it's Germanic in origin. From a quick bit of Googling I'm guessing it's an induction of members into Emperor Maximillian's Confraternity of St. George, which was founded in 1494.* Awesome stripey hose, though that's nothing really new. [edit: actually, the wrinkles under the butt on the left leg are interesting. It means that I shouldn't be trying to achieve a perfectly smooth surface when standing straight and then expecting everything to stretch over the seat wen I bend over. There should be some wrinkling going on, I just need to get it to happen in the right place...]
* There are clearly two doublets going on here, one with 3/4 length sleeves and another with what look like longer sleeves pushed up to the elbow. Now that I look for it, the body and sleeves of Carpaccio's archer are made of different materials, so its quite possible they are two garments as well, especially since the hose still need to be pointed to something.
* The inner doublet seems to have a low, round neck (assuming that's his bare upper back below the hair), and also may have wide stripes on the right hand side.
* The outer doublet must be fairly lightweight, judging by how the sleeves are wrinkling where they're pushed up.
* The "grande assiette" construction of the sleeves of the outer doublet is very well defined. (while googling to confirm the spelling of that term, I turned up
mc_cadieux's page here which has a couple more good images of this style of jacket)* The little pleated section at the center back looks similar to the pleats at the back of the peasant coats in Beham's engravings of a couple decades later, though the construction looks more like the under-bust pleats at the front of women's gowns. My conjecture for these is that they are separate set in rather than a pleated section of the main body of the garment.
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on 2007-09-07 01:43 pm (UTC)I think the stripes from the legs continue up into the body on the right side, and you can see them at the neck.
Oh the outer doublet, the body seems to have more stiffness than the sleeves. So I'm guessing that the body is lined and the sleeves aren't.
I'm of the same opinion on the pleated section, it definitely seems to be a separate set in section rather than a pleated part of the main body. Not to say other garments aren't the main body pleated, because there are some that definitely seem to be that, but this particular instance it looks to be a separate section, say a pleated gore like structure.